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FreaknDavid · 01-10-12, 20:22

By Jim Barnett, CNN
updated 3:24 PM EDT, Mon October 1, 2012

American Airlines: Troubled skies

Passengers feeling the bumpy impact of a labor dispute at American Airlines had another concern over the weekend when a row of seats dislodged during a flight and prompted an emergency landing, the airline said on Monday.

A Boeing 757 from Boston to Miami carrying 175 passengers diverted to New York's John F. Kennedy Airport on Saturday when three seats in Row 12 came loose shortly after takeoff.

The plane landed safely and no injuries were reported. Passengers were transferred to a second plane and the flight resumed later in the day.

The plane landed safely and no injuries were reported. Passengers were transferred to a second plane and the flight resumed later in the day.

"We are conducting an internal investigation into why Row 12 was not locked down. There are at least a half-dozen reasons why a row of seats could become loose," Andrea Huguely, an airline spokeswoman, said in a statement.

"We never have - nor will we - compromise the safety and reliability of our fleet," she said.

The Allied Pilots Association, the largest independent pilot union and a certified collective bargaining agent for the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, blamed the loose seats on third-party maintenance workers.

It is "an unfortunate byproduct when you outsource," said union spokesman Gregg Overman.

He said there is a compatibility issue between the seats and seat tracks, a problem connected to scheduled retrofitting maintenance work. He said seven other older American Airlines 757 planes could have a similar problem.

"It's embarrassing and to us points to the issues when you have important work performed outside of your supervision," Overman said.

Ladybbird · 02-10-12, 04:04

American Airlines temporarily grounds eight planes after loose seats

Reuters, 1 October 2012.

American Airlines said on Monday it has temporarily grounded eight planes to evaluate them after seats became loose on two flights in the last few days -- incidents which have also prompted safety regulators to look into the matter.
The airline, whose parent AMR Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in November, is reinspecting eight Boeing Co 757 planes after a row of seats came loose during a Saturday flight and the same thing happened again on a different plane on Monday.
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration is also looking into the incidents, according to a FAA statement forwarded by American Airlines. FAA representatives were not available for comment after hours.
Company spokeswoman Mary Frances ***an said in an emailed statement that an initial internal investigation "indicated that there could be a possible issue with a certain model of seats and how they fit into the tracking used to secure the seats".
The seats were installed by American Airlines maintenance and maintenance contractors and the issue does not seem to be tied to any one maintenance facility or group, the company said.
A Wall Street Journal story on Monday said the FAA is looking into why a dozen or more rows of seats on one of the planes were not properly secured, adding that the planes being evaluated had recently undergone maintenance.
The airline, which began implementing cost cuts for its pilots last month, has had to cancel hundreds of flights recently due to an increase in pilot-initiated maintenance requests and sick leave usage.

American Airlines said on September 27 that it warned its pilots union it would take legal action if the union fails to ensure the airline operates smoothly.
(Reporting by Sinead Carew; Editing by Edwina Gibbs)

Americans and the staff of AA are finally waking up and speaking out (Read the next report below). This has been going on for years. A couple of years ago my son and I had no choice one time but to fly back from Miami on an AA flight. NIGHTMARE! I sat on my seat and the darn thing fell over to the side (I am slim so it wasnt caused by my weight). I stood up and refused to sit in it again. The cabin staff moved me. But then others had the courage to stand up too and complain that their seats were loose too. The plane was also old and looked it, even though it was an international flight. The seats, carpets and toilets were dirty and there was rubbish left from when it was used on an earlier flight. One passenger started to discuss this with me across the aisle, then others spoke out too and they were all Americans. It became a general discussion inflight and it was evident they were sick of it. But many had no choice but to fly AA because of their monopoly of the flight routes.

Some of you may remember an earlier report I made on a documentary about how the AA maintenance crew were concerned about the safety of passengers, as the crews were forced to repair faulty engine parts and not allowed to order new ones. They were ignored.

I suggested at that time for folk to try out Virgin Airlines and compare the difference, not only in prices, but all the free extras they supply their passengers, including food and drinks and do not charge the extra baggage charges that any American airline charges. Virgin still make a very good profit, so how come AA went bankrupt??? AA etc also blocked the channels/routes that Virgin wanted to run, they can now only operate on some routes in the US.

The answer? GREED and hefty bonuses for the guys at the top and they dont care about their staff and passengers. LBB

MORE, & this Title says it all:

Friends Don't Let Friends Fly American Airlines

By Matthew Yglesias, moneybox

Posted Monday, Oct. 1, 2012

A departure sign shows canceled and delayed flights for American Airlines at Miami International Airport in Miami
Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images.

You may have read Gary Shteyngart's endlessly amusing New York Times op-ed about a nightmare experience on American Airlines over the weekend, but he's such an entertaining writer and air travel horror stories are so common that I'm afraid some people may miss the core point. You seriously have to stop traveling on American Airlines. Seriously. If you're booking some travel somewhere, book it somewhere else. If your company has some relationship with American that gives them a strong preference for you to fly with American, still book it somewhere else.

Right at about the same time as Shteyngart's transatlantic misadventure, I myself was booked on an American route that was supposed to take me from Tulsa, Okla., to Dallas and then from Dallas to Baltimore. My plane boarded about five minutes late in Tulsa, and then the pre-takeoff stuff all seemed to be going a bit sluggishly. Then once everyone was boarded and the plane was away from the gate, the pilot announced that the backup gyroscope was broken and we wouldn't be taking off after all. The hour-plus delay was clearly going to cause me to miss my connection, but while on the runway I was able to ascertain from my iPhone that my connecting flight was also substantially delayed because the plane was getting in late, so I had some hope. My flight eventually took off about 90 minutes later than scheduled, and I hurried to try to make the connection. Unfortunately, the train inside the Dallas airport (it's American's main hub, and American is the overwhelmingly dominant carrier there) was partially broken and only running in one direction, so the train took the long way around, greatly slowing my ability to make the connection. Still, I hustled to the gate and got there two minutes before the rescheduled departure time except ... the door was already closed. The plane, however, hadn't actually left the gate, and there were about a dozen other people outside with me. Normally under those circumstances, an airline will reopen the door to avoid the expense and inconvenience of rebooking everyone, but not this time—the pilot just jetted away.

This turned out to be a bit of a blessing in disguise for me, since I was able to rebook on a flight into Reagan Washington National Airport, which is much more convenient for me than Baltimore, but passengers who were actually trying to get to Baltimore were pretty screwed. Then I shuffled over to my Washington departure gate, but that flight ended up delayed 40 minutes, and then I got home.

Mine was hardly the greatest disaster in aviation history, but it's striking that since Sept. 16 fully half of American's flights have been delayed, while just over 90 percent of non-American flights have been on schedule.

And this isn't a coincidence. The basic issue is that American Airlines filed for bankruptcy in December not primarily to restructure its debts but to restructure its contracts with the unions that represent its workers. The company successfully used the threat of court orders to induce almost all its unions to agree to givebacks, but they couldn't come to agreement with the pilots. Then on Sept. 5, American got a bankruptcy judge to throw out its pilots' contract. Thus since mid-September the pilots have been essentially sabotaging the airline. Some of that has been through elevated numbers of sick days, but the primary tool is overscrupulous maintenance requests. As an anonymous American Airlines pilot explained to the Dallas Morning News' excellent aviation blog that normal airline operations simply can't be done this way:

If you ran your car like American Airlines has been running for the last two weeks if your car was leaking oil on the drive, write it up. Windshield wipers streaking, write it up. Shocks squeaking, write it up. Car pulls slightly to the left, write it up. Your wife would be thrilled ... until the bill came in.

The other thing (you're) seeing is guys that used to use their knowledge of the systems to keep it limping along or reset it are no longer helping out. Most of the time the fix is to just reboot the system and seeing if it does it again. Now guys get a message or the system doesn’t preform as it should then instead of trouble shooting and seeing if it does it again they just write it up, “No Bucks, No Buck Rogers” is the saying.

Long story short, American is totally screwed. What management is discovering right now is that formal contracts can't fully specify what it is that "doing your job properly" constitutes for an airline pilot. The smooth operation of an airline requires the active cooperation of skilled pilots who are capable of judging when it does and doesn't make sense to request new parts and who conduct themselves in the spirit of wanting the airline to succeed. By having the judge throw out the pilots' contract, the airline has totally lost faith with its pilots and has no ability to run the airline properly. It's still perfectly safe, but if your goal is to get to your destination on time, you simply can't fly American. The airline is writing checks it can't cash when it tells you when your flights will be taking off and landing.

In my experience, the passengers on a Tulsa-Dallas flight are not super sympathetic to labor unions. But it's worth emphasizing that one possible resolution of American's bankruptcy is merger with US Airways—an option that US Airways has been pursuing and that American's unions say they support. The main problem with a merger as best I can tell is that if US Airways takes over, American's executives will probably lose their jobs. So the contract fight is, in part, a fight to maintain American's independence for the sake of its managers. The cost of the fight, however, is that the airline can no longer reliably deliver passengers to their destinations. So stay far, far away.
END

Now you may understand why my nickname for A.A. is=

Always Awful

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FreaknDavid Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In The Hills of Tennessee Posts: 6,631 Thanks: 7,332 Thanked 7,261 Times in 4,751 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 5	American Airlines "Falling Apart" -Loose Seats By Jim Barnett, CNN updated 3:24 PM EDT, Mon October 1, 2012 American Airlines: Troubled skies Passengers feeling the bumpy impact of a labor dispute at American Airlines had another concern over the weekend when a row of seats dislodged during a flight and prompted an emergency landing, the airline said on Monday. A Boeing 757 from Boston to Miami carrying 175 passengers diverted to New York's John F. Kennedy Airport on Saturday when three seats in Row 12 came loose shortly after takeoff. The plane landed safely and no injuries were reported. Passengers were transferred to a second plane and the flight resumed later in the day. The plane landed safely and no injuries were reported. Passengers were transferred to a second plane and the flight resumed later in the day. "We are conducting an internal investigation into why Row 12 was not locked down. There are at least a half-dozen reasons why a row of seats could become loose," Andrea Huguely, an airline spokeswoman, said in a statement. "We never have - nor will we - compromise the safety and reliability of our fleet," she said. The Allied Pilots Association, the largest independent pilot union and a certified collective bargaining agent for the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, blamed the loose seats on third-party maintenance workers. It is "an unfortunate byproduct when you outsource," said union spokesman Gregg Overman. He said there is a compatibility issue between the seats and seat tracks, a problem connected to scheduled retrofitting maintenance work. He said seven other older American Airlines 757 planes could have a similar problem. "It's embarrassing and to us points to the issues when you have important work performed outside of your supervision," Overman said. __________________ Rock Out With DreamTeamDownloads1-The Best Place To Be For Downloads. You Can Help the site If You Donate, Please Click Here: DONATE Thank You For Your Support & Membership To DTD1.

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Ladybbird Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 47,626 Thanks: 27,642 Thanked 14,458 Times in 10,262 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 8	American Airlines "Falling Apart" -Loose Seats American Airlines temporarily grounds eight planes after loose seats Reuters, 1 October 2012. American Airlines said on Monday it has temporarily grounded eight planes to evaluate them after seats became loose on two flights in the last few days -- incidents which have also prompted safety regulators to look into the matter. The airline, whose parent AMR Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in November, is reinspecting eight Boeing Co 757 planes after a row of seats came loose during a Saturday flight and the same thing happened again on a different plane on Monday. The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration is also looking into the incidents, according to a FAA statement forwarded by American Airlines. FAA representatives were not available for comment after hours. Company spokeswoman Mary Frances *an said in an emailed statement that an initial internal investigation "indicated that there could be a possible issue with a certain model of seats and how they fit into the tracking used to secure the seats". The seats were installed by American Airlines maintenance and maintenance contractors and the issue does not seem to be tied to any one maintenance facility or group, the company said. A Wall Street Journal story on Monday said the FAA is looking into why a dozen or more rows of seats on one of the planes were not properly secured, adding that the planes being evaluated had recently undergone maintenance. The airline, which began implementing cost cuts for its pilots last month, has had to cancel hundreds of flights recently due to an increase in pilot-initiated maintenance requests and sick leave usage. American Airlines said on September 27 that it warned its pilots union it would take legal action if the union fails to ensure the airline operates smoothly. (Reporting by Sinead Carew; Editing by Edwina Gibbs) Americans and the staff of AA are finally waking up and speaking out (Read the next report below). This has been going on for years. A couple of years ago my son and I had no choice one time but to fly back from Miami on an AA flight. NIGHTMARE! I sat on my seat and the darn thing fell over to the side (I am slim so it wasnt caused by my weight). I stood up and refused to sit in it again. The cabin staff moved me. But then others had the courage to stand up too and complain that their seats were loose too. The plane was also old and looked it, even though it was an international flight. The seats, carpets and toilets were dirty and there was rubbish left from when it was used on an earlier flight. One passenger started to discuss this with me across the aisle, then others spoke out too and they were all Americans. It became a general discussion inflight and it was evident they were sick of it. But many had no choice but to fly AA because of their monopoly of the flight routes. Some of you may remember an earlier report I made on a documentary about how the AA maintenance crew were concerned about the safety of passengers, as the crews were forced to repair faulty engine parts and not allowed to order new ones. They were ignored. I suggested at that time for folk to try out Virgin Airlines and compare the difference, not only in prices, but all the free extras they supply their passengers, including food and drinks and do not charge the extra baggage charges that any American airline charges. Virgin still make a very good profit, so how come AA went bankrupt??? AA etc also blocked the channels/routes that Virgin wanted to run, they can now only operate on some routes in the US. The answer? GREED and hefty bonuses for the guys at the top and they dont care about their staff and passengers. LBB MORE, & this Title says it all:** Friends Don't Let Friends Fly American Airlines By Matthew Yglesias, moneybox Posted Monday, Oct. 1, 2012 A departure sign shows canceled and delayed flights for American Airlines at Miami International Airport in Miami Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images. You may have read Gary Shteyngart's endlessly amusing New York Times op-ed about a nightmare experience on American Airlines over the weekend, but he's such an entertaining writer and air travel horror stories are so common that I'm afraid some people may miss the core point. You seriously have to stop traveling on American Airlines. Seriously. If you're booking some travel somewhere, book it somewhere else. If your company has some relationship with American that gives them a strong preference for you to fly with American, still book it somewhere else. Right at about the same time as Shteyngart's transatlantic misadventure, I myself was booked on an American route that was supposed to take me from Tulsa, Okla., to Dallas and then from Dallas to Baltimore. My plane boarded about five minutes late in Tulsa, and then the pre-takeoff stuff all seemed to be going a bit sluggishly. Then once everyone was boarded and the plane was away from the gate, the pilot announced that the backup gyroscope was broken and we wouldn't be taking off after all. The hour-plus delay was clearly going to cause me to miss my connection, but while on the runway I was able to ascertain from my iPhone that my connecting flight was also substantially delayed because the plane was getting in late, so I had some hope. My flight eventually took off about 90 minutes later than scheduled, and I hurried to try to make the connection. Unfortunately, the train inside the Dallas airport (it's American's main hub, and American is the overwhelmingly dominant carrier there) was partially broken and only running in one direction, so the train took the long way around, greatly slowing my ability to make the connection. Still, I hustled to the gate and got there two minutes before the rescheduled departure time except ... the door was already closed. The plane, however, hadn't actually left the gate, and there were about a dozen other people outside with me. Normally under those circumstances, an airline will reopen the door to avoid the expense and inconvenience of rebooking everyone, but not this time—the pilot just jetted away. This turned out to be a bit of a blessing in disguise for me, since I was able to rebook on a flight into Reagan Washington National Airport, which is much more convenient for me than Baltimore, but passengers who were actually trying to get to Baltimore were pretty screwed. Then I shuffled over to my Washington departure gate, but that flight ended up delayed 40 minutes, and then I got home. Mine was hardly the greatest disaster in aviation history, but it's striking that since Sept. 16 fully half of American's flights have been delayed, while just over 90 percent of non-American flights have been on schedule. And this isn't a coincidence. The basic issue is that American Airlines filed for bankruptcy in December not primarily to restructure its debts but to restructure its contracts with the unions that represent its workers. The company successfully used the threat of court orders to induce almost all its unions to agree to givebacks, but they couldn't come to agreement with the pilots. Then on Sept. 5, American got a bankruptcy judge to throw out its pilots' contract. Thus since mid-September the pilots have been essentially sabotaging the airline. Some of that has been through elevated numbers of sick days, but the primary tool is overscrupulous maintenance requests. As an anonymous American Airlines pilot explained to the Dallas Morning News' excellent aviation blog that normal airline operations simply can't be done this way: If you ran your car like American Airlines has been running for the last two weeks if your car was leaking oil on the drive, write it up. Windshield wipers streaking, write it up. Shocks squeaking, write it up. Car pulls slightly to the left, write it up. Your wife would be thrilled ... until the bill came in. The other thing (you're) seeing is guys that used to use their knowledge of the systems to keep it limping along or reset it are no longer helping out. Most of the time the fix is to just reboot the system and seeing if it does it again. Now guys get a message or the system doesn’t preform as it should then instead of trouble shooting and seeing if it does it again they just write it up, “No Bucks, No Buck Rogers” is the saying. Long story short, American is totally screwed. What management is discovering right now is that formal contracts can't fully specify what it is that "doing your job properly" constitutes for an airline pilot. The smooth operation of an airline requires the active cooperation of skilled pilots who are capable of judging when it does and doesn't make sense to request new parts and who conduct themselves in the spirit of wanting the airline to succeed. By having the judge throw out the pilots' contract, the airline has totally lost faith with its pilots and has no ability to run the airline properly. It's still perfectly safe, but if your goal is to get to your destination on time, you simply can't fly American. The airline is writing checks it can't cash when it tells you when your flights will be taking off and landing. In my experience, the passengers on a Tulsa-Dallas flight are not super sympathetic to labor unions. But it's worth emphasizing that one possible resolution of American's bankruptcy is merger with US Airways—an option that US Airways has been pursuing and that American's unions say they support. The main problem with a merger as best I can tell is that if US Airways takes over, American's executives will probably lose their jobs. So the contract fight is, in part, a fight to maintain American's independence for the sake of its managers. The cost of the fight, however, is that the airline can no longer reliably deliver passengers to their destinations. So stay far, far away. 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