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FreaknDavid · 11-09-11, 12:48

Usually, you hear stories of people fleeing to America, not the other way around.
But the jittery state of the U.S. economy is driving an increasing number of its citizens to seek better prospects north of the border.
Americans are the latest economic refugees, and they’re heading to Canada.
As he prepares to campaign for re-election, U.S. President Barack Obama is expected to make a speech Thursday night that calls for immediate stimulus spending to create jobs and improve infrastructure.
But those reforms will be difficult to make. Republicans, who control the House of Representatives, have resisted any efforts to boost the economy through additional spending.
As life in the U.S. worsens, prospects in Canada seem all the brighter.
Canadian officials say the number of Americans applying for temporary work visas doubled between 2008 and 2010.

Immigration lawyers in Toronto and the border city of Windsor, right across from job-starved Detroit, say they’re seeing a dramatic growth in clients seeking to come to Canada to work, or even as permanent residents.
So, is this a reversal of fortunes on an historic scale? Has Canada become "el Norte"?
Well, not quite. The number of U.S. citizens working in Canada is, at least by global migration standards, relatively small with some 30,000 at the beginning of last year.
Still, Americans make up the second-largest group of temporary workers in Canada, behind only Filipinos, most of whom work as nannies.
Canada was one of the few to escape the 2008 financial meltdown relatively unscathed, a turn of events largely attributed to Ottawa’s long-standing refusal to deregulate the banking sector.
“I’m looking for a quiet, calm, sane, civilized society to start the next phase of my life,” said Michael, an out-of-work, white-collar professional from Michigan who is seeking a temporary visa to come to Canada.
Like several others interviewed for this article, he did not want his full name used for fear of drawing unwanted scrutiny to his application.
Though he describes himself as both patriotic and a conservative, Michael says he’s lost faith in U.S. leadership — “on both sides of the aisle” — for failing to stem the excesses that led to the collapse of Wall Street, and for the current political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling.
“I’m looking for a country where the first role of the government is to protect its citizens,” he said. “It looks to me like all [of Canada’s] three major political parties seem to have proven that they are much more responsible than our leadership.”
Workers like Michael are drawn to Canada’s lower unemployment rate — 7 percent in July compared to 9.1 in the U.S. — and sustained economic strength in major centers such as Toronto, which alone attracts an estimated 100,000 new arrivals a year.

These include not only people with temporary work visas, or those seeking permanent residency, but also increasing numbers of university students, drawn by highly-ranked Canadian schools where tuition, even at 3 or 4 times the rates for Canadians, is still a fraction of what it costs to attend many colleges in the U.S.
John Cameron’s mother lost her senior position at a bank branch in Maine in 2009 at the same time he was trying to finalize his choices for his freshman year in college.
He had his eye on American universities such as Loyola, University of Maryland, Columbia and Fordham.
His father, thinking about the finances, suggested the University of Toronto. Cameron was reluctant, but now he’s a Canadian convert.
”I really love it,” he said. “[It’s] hands-down one of the best schools in North America.”
Toronto has also become home to a couple in their mid-30s from New York City who both lost their full-time jobs in Manhattan in the wake of the 2008 crash. They now live in Canada on temporary visas.
“It’s important for us to live in a place with a lot of diversity and a good cultural sector,” said the woman, who asked that their names be withheld to avoid compromising their residency status in Canada. She says she was surprised at how quickly and efficiently they were able to qualify for Ontario health care.
Some Canadians who had considered America their adopted home are going back.
Al Brickman recently gave up on the United States after 30 years of running a Canadian-owned construction-supply business in Atlanta, Ga.
“I really did hold out for about two years,” he said, but business had bottomed-out in the economy. Brickman said that his billings, once around $100,000, had dropped on some months by as much as 95 percent.
Brickman moved home to Toronto to work at his company there, where he has a steady job as a general manager. His American wife and their 11-week-old baby, are now trying to emigrate to join him.
Since he got back, Brickman said he’s been fielding calls from American friends hoping he can get them a job up north, too.
Shawn Shepard, a legal software supervisor who was among hundreds laid off by his Manhattan law firm in 2008, is hoping a Canadian employer will sponsor him.

Shepard, who lives in Jersey City, N.J., is a regular visitor to Canada, with friends in Montreal and Toronto. With 20 years of experience, and, he admitted, “the arrogance of being a U.S. citizen,” he figured it would be a snap.
But now, he’s found himself in the classic migrant dilemma: “In order to get a work visa, you need a job offer. In order to get a job offer, you need a work visa.” And even if he were to interest a prospective employer, a visa would only be issued if the employer can show that no Canadian was qualified for the job.
“The economy up there is doing very well, despite the global slump,” Shepard wistfully told this reporter, a gainfully employed Canadian. “Your politicians didn’t put you in the same mess that ours did.”

Ladybbird · 11-09-11, 20:32

Dear me, havent the lovely Canadians got enough problems in unemployment themseves?

deathd · 11-09-11, 20:36

I am one of those americans that have moved to canada. I see that canada seems to be going the same direction as the US, with huge real estate bubbles ripe to burst. I hope it don't happen, but I see the same warning signs I see from the US before it took a tumble. I am lucky, and now fully own the house I live in, have a woodburning stove and about 10 years worth of trees should worse come to worse. It hurt a lot losing a house in the US that was around 3/4 paid for, so close to realizing the great american dream, we were gonna sell the house and split the money, would have put around 300 grand in my pocket for college and business starting money. 5 years of busting our ass down the drain, I am young, I can bounce back. If only we had started 3 years sooner, we woulda been sold before the bubble popped lol. Timing can be a bitch

Ladybbird · 11-09-11, 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by deathd

I am one of those americans that have moved to canada. I see that canada seems to be going the same direction as the US, with huge real estate bubbles ripe to burst. I hope it don't happen, but I see the same warning signs I see from the US before it took a tumble. I am lucky, and now fully own the house I live in, have a woodburning stove and about 10 years worth of trees should worse come to worse. It hurt a lot losing a house in the US that was around 3/4 paid for, so close to realizing the great american dream, we were gonna sell the house and split the money, would have put around 300 grand in my pocket for college and business starting money. 5 years of busting our ass down the drain, I am young, I can bounce back. If only we had started 3 years sooner, we woulda been sold before the bubble popped lol. Timing can be a bitch

Yes its bad in the whole world, many are starving here where I live because the tourist industry has been badly affected.
Just glad you found work tho! Many havent.

GottaHaveIt · 12-09-11, 00:38

The newest thing in the US is the "College Bubble." which is doing the same things with college loans that we tried to do with home-loans. eg. give them to anybody regardless of their ability to repay. This, too, will come back to bite us on the ass as any licenses gained through college degrees will be suspended due to being unable to pay back student loans.

Ladybbird · 12-09-11, 01:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by GottaHaveIt

The newest thing in the US is the "College Bubble." which is doing the same things with college loans that we tried to do with home-loans. eg. give them to anybody regardless of their ability to repay. This, too, will come back to bite us on the ass as any licenses gained through college degrees will be suspended due to being unable to pay back student loans.

You know what, I usually only watch the news or do***entaries when I have time, on my TV. I get sick and tired of all the ads from the US.......nearly all about borrowing money, how to make money, and all the ads about selling meds for the more stupidest things....ALL MONEY,,,, GREED and making money out of the poor Americans. No wonder so many are moving out to Canada and other countries.

Sickening!

deathd · 12-09-11, 04:14

Bottom line is really that the general population need to realize that this charge now pay later way of living is not the way. With houses though, they are so over priced now, you need the bank. The banks got society by the balls prettymuch :/

GottaHaveIt · 12-09-11, 11:25

Same thing with college. With everyone able to get loans, tuition prices have skyrocketed. The average student loan debt in 1995 was around $6,000. In 2011, it's $22,900

deathd · 12-09-11, 21:08

Yeah that is not good either. You go to college, and you are in debt a few years unless you are rich or get a free ride for playing a children's game well :/

11-09-11, 12:48	#1
FreaknDavid Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: In The Hills of Tennessee Posts: 6,631 Thanks: 7,332 Thanked 7,261 Times in 4,751 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 5	Americans Going to Canada to Find Work Usually, you hear stories of people fleeing to America, not the other way around. But the jittery state of the U.S. economy is driving an increasing number of its citizens to seek better prospects north of the border. Americans are the latest economic refugees, and they’re heading to Canada. As he prepares to campaign for re-election, U.S. President Barack Obama is expected to make a speech Thursday night that calls for immediate stimulus spending to create jobs and improve infrastructure. But those reforms will be difficult to make. Republicans, who control the House of Representatives, have resisted any efforts to boost the economy through additional spending. As life in the U.S. worsens, prospects in Canada seem all the brighter. Canadian officials say the number of Americans applying for temporary work visas doubled between 2008 and 2010. Immigration lawyers in Toronto and the border city of Windsor, right across from job-starved Detroit, say they’re seeing a dramatic growth in clients seeking to come to Canada to work, or even as permanent residents. So, is this a reversal of fortunes on an historic scale? Has Canada become "el Norte"? Well, not quite. The number of U.S. citizens working in Canada is, at least by global migration standards, relatively small with some 30,000 at the beginning of last year. Still, Americans make up the second-largest group of temporary workers in Canada, behind only Filipinos, most of whom work as nannies. Canada was one of the few to escape the 2008 financial meltdown relatively unscathed, a turn of events largely attributed to Ottawa’s long-standing refusal to deregulate the banking sector. “I’m looking for a quiet, calm, sane, civilized society to start the next phase of my life,” said Michael, an out-of-work, white-collar professional from Michigan who is seeking a temporary visa to come to Canada. Like several others interviewed for this article, he did not want his full name used for fear of drawing unwanted scrutiny to his application. Though he describes himself as both patriotic and a conservative, Michael says he’s lost faith in U.S. leadership — “on both sides of the aisle” — for failing to stem the excesses that led to the collapse of Wall Street, and for the current political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling. “I’m looking for a country where the first role of the government is to protect its citizens,” he said. “It looks to me like all [of Canada’s] three major political parties seem to have proven that they are much more responsible than our leadership.” Workers like Michael are drawn to Canada’s lower unemployment rate — 7 percent in July compared to 9.1 in the U.S. — and sustained economic strength in major centers such as Toronto, which alone attracts an estimated 100,000 new arrivals a year. These include not only people with temporary work visas, or those seeking permanent residency, but also increasing numbers of university students, drawn by highly-ranked Canadian schools where tuition, even at 3 or 4 times the rates for Canadians, is still a fraction of what it costs to attend many colleges in the U.S. John Cameron’s mother lost her senior position at a bank branch in Maine in 2009 at the same time he was trying to finalize his choices for his freshman year in college. He had his eye on American universities such as Loyola, University of Maryland, Columbia and Fordham. His father, thinking about the finances, suggested the University of Toronto. Cameron was reluctant, but now he’s a Canadian convert. ”I really love it,” he said. “[It’s] hands-down one of the best schools in North America.” Toronto has also become home to a couple in their mid-30s from New York City who both lost their full-time jobs in Manhattan in the wake of the 2008 crash. They now live in Canada on temporary visas. “It’s important for us to live in a place with a lot of diversity and a good cultural sector,” said the woman, who asked that their names be withheld to avoid compromising their residency status in Canada. She says she was surprised at how quickly and efficiently they were able to qualify for Ontario health care. Some Canadians who had considered America their adopted home are going back. Al Brickman recently gave up on the United States after 30 years of running a Canadian-owned construction-supply business in Atlanta, Ga. “I really did hold out for about two years,” he said, but business had bottomed-out in the economy. Brickman said that his billings, once around $100,000, had dropped on some months by as much as 95 percent. Brickman moved home to Toronto to work at his company there, where he has a steady job as a general manager. His American wife and their 11-week-old baby, are now trying to emigrate to join him. Since he got back, Brickman said he’s been fielding calls from American friends hoping he can get them a job up north, too. Shawn Shepard, a legal software supervisor who was among hundreds laid off by his Manhattan law firm in 2008, is hoping a Canadian employer will sponsor him. Shepard, who lives in Jersey City, N.J., is a regular visitor to Canada, with friends in Montreal and Toronto. With 20 years of experience, and, he admitted, “the arrogance of being a U.S. citizen,” he figured it would be a snap. But now, he’s found himself in the classic migrant dilemma: “In order to get a work visa, you need a job offer. In order to get a job offer, you need a work visa.” And even if he were to interest a prospective employer, a visa would only be issued if the employer can show that no Canadian was qualified for the job. “The economy up there is doing very well, despite the global slump,” Shepard wistfully told this reporter, a gainfully employed Canadian. “Your politicians didn’t put you in the same mess that ours did.” __________________ Rock Out With DreamTeamDownloads1-The Best Place To Be For Downloads. You Can Help the site If You Donate, Please Click Here: DONATE Thank You For Your Support & Membership To DTD1.

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deathd DT1 Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,173 Thanks: 149 Thanked 455 Times in 238 Posts	Re: Americans Going to Canada to Find Work I am one of those americans that have moved to canada. I see that canada seems to be going the same direction as the US, with huge real estate bubbles ripe to burst. I hope it don't happen, but I see the same warning signs I see from the US before it took a tumble. I am lucky, and now fully own the house I live in, have a woodburning stove and about 10 years worth of trees should worse come to worse. It hurt a lot losing a house in the US that was around 3/4 paid for, so close to realizing the great american dream, we were gonna sell the house and split the money, would have put around 300 grand in my pocket for college and business starting money. 5 years of busting our ass down the drain, I am young, I can bounce back. If only we had started 3 years sooner, we woulda been sold before the bubble popped lol. Timing can be a bitch

12-09-11, 00:38	#5
GottaHaveIt Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 11 Thanks: 10 Thanked 10 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Americans Going to Canada to Find Work The newest thing in the US is the "College Bubble." which is doing the same things with college loans that we tried to do with home-loans. eg. give them to anybody regardless of their ability to repay. This, too, will come back to bite us on the ass as any licenses gained through college degrees will be suspended due to being unable to pay back student loans.

12-09-11, 04:14	#7
deathd DT1 Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,173 Thanks: 149 Thanked 455 Times in 238 Posts	Re: Americans Going to Canada to Find Work Bottom line is really that the general population need to realize that this charge now pay later way of living is not the way. With houses though, they are so over priced now, you need the bank. The banks got society by the balls prettymuch :/

12-09-11, 11:25	#8
GottaHaveIt Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 11 Thanks: 10 Thanked 10 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Americans Going to Canada to Find Work Same thing with college. With everyone able to get loans, tuition prices have skyrocketed. The average student loan debt in 1995 was around $6,000. In 2011, it's $22,900

12-09-11, 21:08	#9
deathd DT1 Poster Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,173 Thanks: 149 Thanked 455 Times in 238 Posts	Re: Americans Going to Canada to Find Work Yeah that is not good either. You go to college, and you are in debt a few years unless you are rich or get a free ride for playing a children's game well :/

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