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Pirate How We Won ACTA!-From The Pirate Party

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Infopolicy – Christian Engström:  As the European Parliament voted to reject the ACTA agreement on July 4, 2012, it was a huge victory. What did we do right, and how can we do that again?

These are questions we need to discuss, because we will need to do it again. The ACTA agreement as such is dead, but the ACTA proponents have not surrendered. They will try to pass ACTA’s substantial content under other acronyms. And besides ACTA, there are plenty of other issues that also carry a direct imapct on net liberty and on liberty in society at large. Therefore, it is not just important that we can win, but also how we can win.

We won the ACTA battle because there was pressure from two sides at once – both from the inside of parliament and from the outside.

It took simultaneous pressure from both sides to win.

It’s a bit like squeezing toothpaste from a tube. It’s not enough to apply pressure on one side. Without the activist pressure from the outside of parliament, we would never have won this match. But without from the work from the Pirate Party and others on the inside, there would never have been a match at all.

But let’s take it from the start.

In the 2009 European Election campaign, the Pirate Party mentioned ACTA mostly in passing, but it was on our radar. I blogged about ACTA the first time in October 2008, due to both the Green Party and the Honorary Pirate and Moderate MP Karl Sigfrid had written one motion about ACTA to Swedish Parliament. At that time, the issue was already on activists’ radars, and others had blogged about ACTA earlier.

The first thing I did when I had gotten elected to the European Parliament was to make sure that Erik Josefsson was hired as political secretary for the Green group in the European Parliament. (In practice, this was my only demand for joining the Green group as an independent MEP.) As many know, Erik is a veteran for the fight for a free internet, and one of the most knowledgeable and energetic net liberty activists in Brussels.

Through Erik’s efforts, the Green group commissioned a working group on ACTA (where I was one of the people involved), and made sure to coordinate with net activists, using mailing lists and the newly-started site Act-On-Acta.eu among other methods.

The Green group would all too surely have opposed ACTA under any and all circumstances, but thanks to the Pirate Party and Erik, this Parliament has given issues of information policy a lot more attention. ACTA is one example of this.

This is important, for there is a chasm of difference between a political group working actively in a political area instead of just having opinions in general but not doing anything much. In this regard, the Pirate Party’s accession to the European Parliament has made a clear difference.

After this, a long series of partial ACTA battles took turns in Parliament. Do take a look at the list of events and links at Act-On-Acta, or browse the ACTA-related articles on my blog. Politics is always a marathon, and nothing happens by itself overnight (well, nothing good, at least).

So we grinded on, together with activists outside of Parliament who were also tracking the issue. We lost some partial battles and won some others, but honestly, the prospect of stopping ACTA never looked particularly promising. We always fought uphill.

The three largest groups in the European Parliament – the conservative EPP, the Social Democrats, and the Liberals – had not formally taken a position on ACTA, but all three of them were practically in favor of it. Together, they wield a crushing majority, and if they’re in agreement, it doesn’t matter what anybody else thinks, nor does it matter if there are scattered dissidents within those groups.

This was the battle map as late as January 2012, half a year before the vote. The Green group (where the Pirate Party resides) was against ACTA, together with the Left group and the British Eurosceptic party UKIP. In total, maybe 15% of the Parliament votes, quite a far cry from the 51% you need to win in politics. We kept grinding, but found it hard to feel particularly hopeful.

But then, something happened. Tens of thousands of ordinary citizens took to the streets and protested ACTA, in Poland at first, and then all over Europe. Mail poured in to the Members of European Parliament from citizens who asked them to vote against ACTA. This changed the playing field in the European Parliament completely.

First, the Social Democrat group turned, and took a position against ACTA.

Even though I’m sure they used more sophisticated language in internal discussions, I think their gut feeling was “Look, they’re staging protests in a demonstration, that’s what we do! This may be our kind of people, we must try making friends with them!”.

No matter what the internal discussions sounded like, it is for sure that it was the rallies and the pressure from citizens who mailed that made the Social Democrats decide to be against ACTA. Otherwise, the Social Democrats would almost surely have done as the European Commission asked, and voted in favor of the agreement.

But once they knew what they wanted to be against, it was easy for them to assume that position. The arguments against ACTA were already written in-house, and were known in all political groups after the discussions with us, who had been against ACTA from the get-go. Now, all the hard work we had done paid off, all the hard work we grinded with while the battle map looked hopeless.

As for the Liberal group, I don’t think it were the rallies as such that was the triggering factor, but more likely, it was the Pirate Party’s ongoing successes in Germany that was the key reason for their deciding to vote against ACTA. This may require a bit of explaining.

The Liberal group is the third largest in the European Parliament, with about 85 MEPs. It is considerably smaller than the two large groups (the conservative EPP and the Social Democrats), but to paraphrase a Wikileaks cable, they are “a medium-sized group with big-group attitude”.

To retain this image of themselves after the next European Elections, they must have a strong German delegation in the group. Germany is Europe’s most important country, and if there would be only some single German MEP in the Liberal group, it would be obvious to everybody that the Liberals would only be a minor group like everyone else, and don’t play in the same league as the EPP and the Social Democrats.

Exactly this scenario can play out if no action is taken, since the liberal German party FDP is currently doing terribly, and it is being at risk of being more or less erased.

On the other hand, a party that is doing very well in Germany is the Pirate Party, which has gained entry into four state-level parliaments and continues to poll at 7-8%, Germany-wide. In the European Elections of 2014, the German pirates will send MEPs to Brussels with certainty. The group leaders of the Liberal group has noted this, and would very much like to attract the German pirates to join the Liberal group instead of the Green one. That way, they would keep a large German delegation even if FDP makes an election disaster.

I’m convinced this was the reason for the leadership of the Liberal group putting its authority behind a group-wide vote against ACTA. The Liberals were (and are still) divided on net liberty issues: from MEPs like Marietje Schaake, who are as much pirate in her soul and being as Amelia and myself, ranging to nightstick liberals who have the exact opposite opinion. But this time, most of them toed the party line and voted against ACTA, once the mass protest had put the issue in the spotlight.

In the final vote in the European Parliament, the numbers were 39 votes in favor of ACTA, 478 against, with 165 abstentions. Those are brilliant numbers, even if you take into account that most of the 165 abstaining were ACTA proponents who would have wanted to vote in favor, but abstained for tactical reasons as they knew they’d lose anyway.

So if you only look at the numbers from the final vote, you’d be tempted to believe that Parliament’s no to ACTA was a given since a long time a go. But as I have explained, this was not the case at all.

The victory over ACTA was the result of activism and long-term work from a huge lot of people, both on the inside and outside of the European Parliament. Pressure from both sides of the tube at the same time, in a reasonably coordinated fashion, and without hinder from party borders. That’s when we won.

We will do that again.

This post originally appeared in Swedish at MEP Christian Engström’s blog. Translated into English by Rick Falkvinge.
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Pirate Re: How We Won ACTA!-From The Pirate Party


Commissioner Kroes: “Heed The Pirate Parties, Or Lose Your Job”


In an op-ed in Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet today, Commissioner Neelie Kroes made an unprecedented statement: politicians in Europe need to understand that net liberty is important, and heed the Pirate Parties, or lose their jobs.


Commissioner Kroes is in Sweden for the EuroDIG conference, and took the opportunity to write an op-ed for one of the major Swedish newspapers. While she does what any politician must do according to protocol in this op-ed – namely, praise the host country’s unique abilities – she also says a few things that have never been seen in public at that level before.
Kroes… Commissioner WHO?
People in the European Commission, the highest administration of the European Union, are called Commissioners. It’s roughly the European-Union-level equivalent of a minister. Commissioner Neelie Kroes is responsible for the Digital Agenda.

In this op-ed, she writes, “The rise of the Pirate Parties has shown that net liberty is an important issue, one that our politicians must take seriously if they don’t want to lose their jobs.”

This is the exact message we’ve been sending for the past six years – I’m happy to see that it has now penetrated to the highest echelons.

Specifically, she writes in the op-ed,

The Internet has been an economic success, but on political levels, it has been less so. To the young generation, the fight for net liberty is what the green wave was for the 1968 generation and the baby boomers. The Arab Spring, the ACTA debate, and the rise of the Pirate Parties have shown that net liberty is an important issue, one that our politicians must approach with the utmost seriousness if they don’t want to lose power.

The parallel with the Green movement is also one that I have been hammering home for the past years.

It’s kind of interesting that she chooses a “power is important, so you should care about net liberty” approach, rather than “We’re Europe, we carry the legacy of the Enlightenment, so we care about freedom of speech no matter where it happens”. Still, this is the path that we calculated would work six years ago: attack and challenge the power, achieve and attain the civil liberties.

Unfortunately, after having had this published, reports tell me that she went on to speak at EuroDIG about how the existence of child porn necessitates limitations to freedoms of speech and net liberty (blah blah, yeah, we’ve heard it before and that doesn’t make it more true). When challenged with “the commission is just being paranoid”, Commissioner Kroes chose not to comment. Dear Commissioner Kroes — talking the talk is not enough; in a world where reputation is everything, you also need to walk the walk.
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Unfortunately, they didn't win ACTA. All they did was delay it. ACTA will return under a different name. It will come in bits and pieces, slid into other bills, laws, proposals, or what ever. There will be some 'must have' law or funding action it will be sandwiched into as a bitter pill to take as part of the 'good medicine'.

It's an age old trick. 'For the children, for mom, apple pie, or patriotism", take your pick. But the drive to have ATCA, the desire to see it in place, and the money behind it to see it done, haven't went anywhere. They'll be pushing another better disguised bill that somewhere contains it until they have enough passed to be the same thing.

Only a battle was won, not the war.
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Unfortunately, they didn't win ACTA. All they did was delay it. ACTA will return under a different name. It will come in bits and pieces, slid into other bills, laws, proposals, or what ever. There will be some 'must have' law or funding action it will be sandwiched into as a bitter pill to take as part of the 'good medicine'.

It's an age old trick. 'For the children, for mom, apple pie, or patriotism", take your pick. But the drive to have ATCA, the desire to see it in place, and the money behind it to see it done, haven't went anywhere. They'll be pushing another better disguised bill that somewhere contains it until they have enough passed to be the same thing.

Only a battle was won, not the war.
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Yes I can see and have seen PhotoStill's points here in action.
In Australia the Government wanted to bring in "Indefinite Sentencing" for all InMates (prisoners) of interest. The Public said "NO". So they (government) then set about changing their focus to only targeting "Serial Predator Sex-Offenders", namely Denis Ferguson who was soon to be released (2yrs or so). The Law "Indefinite Sentencing of Sex Offenders" got passed. The Law was promoted as Keeping Serial Child Sex Predators inside where they belong. This all seems to be OK, keep the Predators of the streets and our children are safe.
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Well the Government have taken MANY "Serial Predator Sex-offenders" to court and have lost many times the case, thus the likes of Denis Ferguson are all walking the streets. So you might say Well the law don't work....
BUT is it (Indefinite Sentencing Act) suppose to work????
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It is clear now 7 or so yrs after the Law was made that it's original purpose was NOT to keep the like of Denis Ferguson in prison. NO... the title of the law is "Indefinite Sentencing of Sex Offenders" and becoming a Sex Offender is very easy. You don't have to actually have SEX to become a Sex Offender.
A mate of mine got into an argument with a male neighbour, who had a base ball bat in his hand, and the argument got out of control and my mate said "put the bat down or I will shove it up your ass!", the neighbour replied "make me and you and who's army". Well lets just say the bat ended up where the sun don't shine. My mate is now a Sex-Offender.
If you where an Armed Bank robber and you made all of the hosages Take of their Cloths, you would most likely be charged as a "Voilent Sex-Offender". If you where to expose (show a sex tape) to anyone and they objected to it, you could be charged as a "Sex Offender"
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So now instead of having just a small amount of prisoners (the likes of Denis Ferguson) that the "Indefinite Sentencing of Sex Offenders" law can be applied to, the government can now apply this law to over 1/5th of its current prisoners. Expect this to increase as more people are processed through the courts.
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BUT I have said that the Law is not working as the Government have lost most of its "Indefinite Sentencing" cases... Well thats OK because what the Government is doing is collecting a list of sex-offenders whom they would like to keep inside. Now these "Bad Bad Men" are Freed because the people (of the court) have set them free.... So now there will come a time when more and more of these "Bad Bad Men" will commit another "Sex related Crime", then using the argument of "We Told You So Before and You (the people) Didn't trust our Judgement", more and more "Indefinite Sentencing" cases will be successful.
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As PhotoStill has stated...
It's an age old trick. 'For the children, for mom, apple pie, or patriotism", take your pick. But the drive to have ATCA, the desire to see it in place, and the money behind it to see it done, haven't went anywhere. They'll be pushing another better disguised bill that somewhere contains it until they have enough passed to be the same thing.
My stuff here about Indefinite Sentencing has now aged and is setting it-self up to do what it wanted to do it the beginning. ATCA bill just starting out doing what it wants, and it will get it in the end.
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Indefinite Sentencing means that the Government can take a prisoner to court with in his (prisoner) last serving year of incarceration, given that the prisoner is given 6 months notice, and apply to have him (prisoner) incarcerated for another 12 months above and beyond his (prisoner) full sentencing time given to him (prisoner) by the court of land. This process can again be applied for the following year for as many years as deemed necessary. Necessary is being based on the Chance that he (prisoner) May Offend Again as Believed and Rated by the Government.
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Here they have put into place the NDAA law. The law itself isn't new, despite that the opposing political party wanting you to believe it is solely Obama's power grab. What is new, is that if you are declared a terrorist, you are turned over to the military for keeping as a prisoner until they decide what they will do to you. They have no requirements to provide legal consul, no requirements of a speedy trial, no requirements to acknowledge you are being held as a prisoner to any outside source; in essence you can be held for life, without outside acknowledgement you exist, without being able to contact anyone to resolve the issue of being in jail.

Add to this, the FBI has been on a witch hunt for terrorists. Only nearly all cases so far, have been setups. They find some poor yoyo who has a bone to pick but no method nor will to do anything about it. They'll happily supply a terrorist internet network to cheer the chump on, provide plans, convincing, support, the fake bomb, and encouragement to go do the job. It's all a setup. The whole thing smacks more of entrapment than actually catching a terrorists. Even the New York Times has made mention of this.
The only terrorists they seem to be catching these days are the ones they are providing.

Now I'm not a big conspiracy theorist. I don't necessarily believe that every action a government takes is always a big plan to bring back the lordship/peon relationship. But here is something worrying happening in this country. Home Land Security, Social Security, and even the National Weather Service seem to be buying ammo. None of those groups are known for going after criminals. A bullet has only one purpose; it won't wash the clothes, it won't fix dinner, water the yard, mow the grass, or do shopping for you. With times as tough as they are, you gotta ask why they are spending money on bullets.
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