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Ladybbird · 26-07-12, 04:15

25 Jul 2012

Some of the biggest names in the UK music industry have written to Prime Minister David Cameron in the hope that he can do something about illicit music downloading.

Simon Cowell, Roger Daltrey, Elton John, Brian May and Andrew Lloyd Webber are among several mega-rich celebrity figures asking the government to pressure Internet service providers, search engines and advertisers into solving the music industry’s problems.
Although not detailed specifically in the letter, the industry wants ISPs to block sites and help towards punishing file-sharers, advertisers to pull away from ‘infringing sites’, and search engines to delist unauthorized sources of online music.

Here’s the letter in full:

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Quote:

Dear Prime Minister,
As the world’s focus turns to the UK this summer, there is an opportunity to stimulate growth in sectors where the UK has a competitive edge. Our creative industries represent one such sector, which creates jobs at twice the speed of the rest of the economy.
Britain’s share of the global music market is higher than ever with UK artists, led by Adele, breaking through to global stardom. As a digitally advanced nation whose language is spoken around the world, the UK is well positioned to increase its exports in the digital age. Competition in the creative sector is in talent and innovation, not labour costs or raw materials.
We can realise this potential only if we have a strong domestic copyright framework, so that UK creative industries can earn a fair return on their huge investments creating original content. Illegal activity online must be pushed to the margins. This will benefit consumers, giving confidence they are buying safely online from legal websites.
The simplest way to ensure this would be to implement swiftly the long overdue measures in the Digital Economy Act 2010; and to ensure broadband providers, search engines and online advertisers play their part in protecting consumers and creators from illegal sites.
We are proud of our cultural heritage and believe that we and our sector can play a much bigger role in supporting UK growth. To continue to create world beating creative content, we need a little bit of help from our friends.

Yours sincerely,

Simon Cowell
Roger Daltrey CBE
Professor Green
Sir Elton John CBE
The Lord Lloyd Webber
Dr Brian May CBE
Robert Plant
Roger Taylor
Tinie Tempah
Pete Townshend

END

Pathetic, as if they are all short of money!

Al.Ternat · 26-07-12, 05:35

They are not short of their money but short of our money. Hi.Hi.

Ladybbird · 26-07-12, 05:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al.Ternat

They are not short of their money but short of our money. Hi.Hi.

Now that cracked me up...

Tsk tsk, if ya see any of those nasty pirates around, let us know...they get everywhere.

photostill · 26-07-12, 22:12

Here is this sense of entitlement again. We made it, we should be paid for life...and our families too. I see this as no different than a carpenter that builds a house. He gets paid once. The house stands for sometimes a 100 years or more but the carpenter gets no more money for the job.

Also released today, is a conference results that makes the claim that cyberlockers are only a small issue in reality of dealing with pirates. According the RIAA off line trading is far more prevalent than online.

You have to understand that this is vested interests talking that have no qualms spending millions of dollars to get what they want at any time. They want every last penny, ruble, pence, euro, pfinning, peso, yen, lira, and cent they can lay fingers on while at the same time screwing everyone that does business with them.

You hear all this bitching about search engines. Know what you don't hear? You don't hear that they have set up sites that are easy to get to, easy to get the product, available around the world, and has few if any barriers to preventing you from sampling, accessing, nor paying for it in what ever part of the world you live.

Since Adele was mentioned, allow me to show you the results of searching for Adele.mp3.

How many global sales points do you see in this image? How many global sales points do you see in the top returns? How many other sites you can get it for free because it isn't available any other way in your country do you see?

Al.Ternat · 27-07-12, 08:58

True what you are saying, photostill.

The story is, that in the past, all the money had to come from CD sales.
A lot of these record company CEO's still think that this is the way to get money.
The performing artist get a very small profit of these sales and the company makes most of the money.
A good band or singer performs live, at festivals and concerts, and will make enough money, in any case.
Some of them work without record companies and use the internet to make their music known to the public.

On a CD, there are maybe a few good songs, the rest is all stuffing.
The consumer want's to pay for the few good songs and not for the stuffing.
These few good songs are not for sale in a shop, without buying the whole CD. So people download them, and cutting out the record company.
Today, there are only a few artists around, where a person could say "It is worth to buy the whole CD".

The technology world claims that within a couple of years, the cd's are something of the past. Because it is all digital now, one can store music on various media.
The record industry is missing the train.

Today, the quality of music, is not the same level then when the biggest names in the UK music industry made music.

This scientific article came out today.

"New Study from No Duh University Finds All Modern Pop Songs Sound Alike"

In a paper published today in Scientific Reports, researchers from the Spanish National Research Council claim that pop music has become increasingly homogenized over the last 50 years, as well as "intrinsically louder."

"We found evidence of a progressive homogenization of the musical discourse," team leader Joan Serra, an artificial intelligence specialist, told Reuters. "In particular, we obtained numerical indicators that the diversity of transitions between note combinations - roughly speaking chords plus melodies - has consistently diminished in the last 50 years."

To study pop music's development — or lack thereof — Serra and his crew turned to the Million Song Dataset — "a freely-available collection of audio features and metadata for a million contemporary popular music tracks."

They determined that not only do all modern pop songs sound the same, but they've also gotten much louder.

According to Reuters, Serra says his paper is the first to properly measure the so-called "Loudness War," which Serra defines as "a terminology that is used to describe the apparent competition to release recordings with increasing loudness, perhaps with the aim of catching potential customers' attention in a music broadcast."

photostill · 28-07-12, 00:11

As always with these articles, there is stuff that is not said, not mentioned, or ignored.

I read this study earlier today on the songs sounding alike. Now let me mention another reason why they all sound the same they left out. Since the mid 90's a computer program was developed to predict the next Top Ten hit. Used to be they had special people that had the skills over the years to do that but retirement was looming. Does the famous phrase, "I don't hear a hit", ring a bell?

What the computer program did was measure close similarities to other songs that 'made it', compared them for how close it might be to making it as well. Over time they all get to sound the same, because they were picked to be homogenous and therefore hopefully bring in the cash.

This is part of the reason that many are still buying songs from the 60's up to the 90's but aren't going much farther. In fact another article somewhere I read made mention that modern rock wasn't as popular as old rock.

Part of what also killed the album sales as you mention is the filler. Those songs no one wanted but to get that one or two good songs you had to get the whole thing. When you looked at what you paid for the album, those one or two good songs weren't worth it. We have returned to the days of the 50's and the 45 rpm record that had that one good single. During that time the 45 was what sold, not so much albums. It was the scheme of the major labels to stop making 45s and only sell albums with higher profit returns.

Again the major labels crapped in their pot. Used to be that mom and pop record stores were all over the country. The box chains got to selling music and Walmart used it as a loss leader to get you in the store. Moving far more volume than the mom and pop stores allowed them sweetheart deals that mom and pop couldn't match. That's why they went out of business. After this Walmart told the majors, drop the price or we drop music selling. At that time they with the rest of the box chains were selling approximately 80% of the nation's music. Walmart would not have been hurt to drop selling music but the it would have cratered the labels because they really didn't have any more high volume outlets to sell from.

26-07-12, 05:35	#2
Al.Ternat Honoured Member & VIP Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 68 Thanks: 115 Thanked 109 Times in 49 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Top Music Stars Ask UK Prime Minister For Anti-Piracy Action They are not short of their money but short of our money. Hi.Hi.

26-07-12, 22:12	#4
photostill The Enigma Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 9,977 Thanks: 3,009 Thanked 1,524 Times in 928 Posts	Re: Top Music Stars Ask UK Prime Minister For Anti-Piracy Action Here is this sense of entitlement again. We made it, we should be paid for life...and our families too. I see this as no different than a carpenter that builds a house. He gets paid once. The house stands for sometimes a 100 years or more but the carpenter gets no more money for the job. Also released today, is a conference results that makes the claim that cyberlockers are only a small issue in reality of dealing with pirates. According the RIAA off line trading is far more prevalent than online. You have to understand that this is vested interests talking that have no qualms spending millions of dollars to get what they want at any time. They want every last penny, ruble, pence, euro, pfinning, peso, yen, lira, and cent they can lay fingers on while at the same time screwing everyone that does business with them. You hear all this bitching about search engines. Know what you don't hear? You don't hear that they have set up sites that are easy to get to, easy to get the product, available around the world, and has few if any barriers to preventing you from sampling, accessing, nor paying for it in what ever part of the world you live. Since Adele was mentioned, allow me to show you the results of searching for Adele.mp3. How many global sales points do you see in this image? How many global sales points do you see in the top returns? How many other sites you can get it for free because it isn't available any other way in your country do you see? __________________ You can help this site, by clicking on the link below to buy a Premium Account. & Thank you for helping us. Click; Last edited by photostill; 26-07-12 at 22:22.

27-07-12, 08:58	#5
Al.Ternat Honoured Member & VIP Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 68 Thanks: 115 Thanked 109 Times in 49 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Re: Top Music Stars Ask UK Prime Minister For Anti-Piracy Action True what you are saying, photostill. The story is, that in the past, all the money had to come from CD sales. A lot of these record company CEO's still think that this is the way to get money. The performing artist get a very small profit of these sales and the company makes most of the money. A good band or singer performs live, at festivals and concerts, and will make enough money, in any case. Some of them work without record companies and use the internet to make their music known to the public. On a CD, there are maybe a few good songs, the rest is all stuffing. The consumer want's to pay for the few good songs and not for the stuffing. These few good songs are not for sale in a shop, without buying the whole CD. So people download them, and cutting out the record company. Today, there are only a few artists around, where a person could say "It is worth to buy the whole CD". The technology world claims that within a couple of years, the cd's are something of the past. Because it is all digital now, one can store music on various media. The record industry is missing the train. Today, the quality of music, is not the same level then when the biggest names in the UK music industry made music. This scientific article came out today. "New Study from No Duh University Finds All Modern Pop Songs Sound Alike" In a paper published today in Scientific Reports, researchers from the Spanish National Research Council claim that pop music has become increasingly homogenized over the last 50 years, as well as "intrinsically louder." "We found evidence of a progressive homogenization of the musical discourse," team leader Joan Serra, an artificial intelligence specialist, told Reuters. "In particular, we obtained numerical indicators that the diversity of transitions between note combinations - roughly speaking chords plus melodies - has consistently diminished in the last 50 years." To study pop music's development — or lack thereof — Serra and his crew turned to the Million Song Dataset — "a freely-available collection of audio features and metadata for a million contemporary popular music tracks." They determined that not only do all modern pop songs sound the same, but they've also gotten much louder. According to Reuters, Serra says his paper is the first to properly measure the so-called "Loudness War," which Serra defines as "a terminology that is used to describe the apparent competition to release recordings with increasing loudness, perhaps with the aim of catching potential customers' attention in a music broadcast."

28-07-12, 00:11	#6
photostill The Enigma Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 9,977 Thanks: 3,009 Thanked 1,524 Times in 928 Posts	Re: Top Music Stars Ask UK Prime Minister For Anti-Piracy Action As always with these articles, there is stuff that is not said, not mentioned, or ignored. I read this study earlier today on the songs sounding alike. Now let me mention another reason why they all sound the same they left out. Since the mid 90's a computer program was developed to predict the next Top Ten hit. Used to be they had special people that had the skills over the years to do that but retirement was looming. Does the famous phrase, "I don't hear a hit", ring a bell? What the computer program did was measure close similarities to other songs that 'made it', compared them for how close it might be to making it as well. Over time they all get to sound the same, because they were picked to be homogenous and therefore hopefully bring in the cash. This is part of the reason that many are still buying songs from the 60's up to the 90's but aren't going much farther. In fact another article somewhere I read made mention that modern rock wasn't as popular as old rock. Part of what also killed the album sales as you mention is the filler. Those songs no one wanted but to get that one or two good songs you had to get the whole thing. When you looked at what you paid for the album, those one or two good songs weren't worth it. We have returned to the days of the 50's and the 45 rpm record that had that one good single. During that time the 45 was what sold, not so much albums. It was the scheme of the major labels to stop making 45s and only sell albums with higher profit returns. Again the major labels crapped in their pot. Used to be that mom and pop record stores were all over the country. The box chains got to selling music and Walmart used it as a loss leader to get you in the store. Moving far more volume than the mom and pop stores allowed them sweetheart deals that mom and pop couldn't match. That's why they went out of business. After this Walmart told the majors, drop the price or we drop music selling. At that time they with the rest of the box chains were selling approximately 80% of the nation's music. Walmart would not have been hurt to drop selling music but the it would have cratered the labels because they really didn't have any more high volume outlets to sell from. __________________ You can help this site, by clicking on the link below to buy a Premium Account. & Thank you for helping us. Click;

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